tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1570601480010352989.post1304656513328478278..comments2023-10-18T02:02:09.554-07:00Comments on ತೆರೆದ ಪುಟಗಳು - Open Pages: The death of Verghese Kurien, man behind Amul and White Revolution in Indiaಕೃಷ್ಣ ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರಿ - Krishna Shastryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00602716408042486823noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1570601480010352989.post-75734953041903825192015-10-18T19:13:54.586-07:002015-10-18T19:13:54.586-07:00The real father of The White Revolution was my fat...The real father of The White Revolution was my father: Svend Baek-Sorensen. He taught Mr. Kurien about daitying, as this was my father's education. He was a dairy engineer. My father was 36 when he came to Anand to teach Mr. Kurien how to start up a dairy. My father was working for FAO (United Nations) <br />In our country dairy and farming cooperation has been practiced for many centuries and my father has grown up in this tradition. When the dairy was opened in 1956 my father's mission was over. But nobody ever mentions him as the father of The White Revolution of India!! Dorte Baek-SorensenAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12851797093121721830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1570601480010352989.post-85864706831159800882015-04-04T00:40:16.987-07:002015-04-04T00:40:16.987-07:00@ Krishna Shastry, I wish there are more sane &...@ Krishna Shastry, I wish there are more sane & compassionate minds like you in this world. Verghese Kurien was a scourge to say the least, he altered the dairy industry with his insensitive methods & is the cause of crores of cattle in India which died a premature death when was at the helm for decades at Amul. It is surprising how a staunch vegetarian like our honorable PM (then Gujarat CM for 3 full terms) allowed Kurien to continue with his evil designs till he died. <br /><br />Our country which has Gau Puja & all should be less hypocritic. We worship the mother, kill her male calf, use leather, eat beef or export them, use the female calf to give us milk, when they get old they also are killed, eaten & their skin is used as leather. We humans even cant imagine giving such a punishment to our enemy also what we award to a defenseless cow, buffalo which only gave us milk for years without seeking anything in return. Hope the new PM starts introducing ethical dairy practices like what Iskcon does in their Goshalas, the first 6 months are for the calves & then the next 7 months for humans. The calves are not killed, they are allowed to grow to a strong bull & are used for tilling land. The milking process is also with hand & not with machines. Srila Prabhupada has shown all the right ways of living & promoted compassion between living beings. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1570601480010352989.post-12101354187866616212012-09-15T08:00:26.808-07:002012-09-15T08:00:26.808-07:00Nice article... Nice article... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1570601480010352989.post-47081346422322536422012-09-11T03:41:30.680-07:002012-09-11T03:41:30.680-07:00@Manisha: He ate beef? No wonder he was quite inse...@Manisha: He ate beef? No wonder he was quite insensitive towards cattle welfare during White Revolution.<br /><br />Also, we all should note that this boom in dairy industry has clearly and directly boosted leather and beef industry.ಕೃಷ್ಣ ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರಿ - Krishna Shastryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602716408042486823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1570601480010352989.post-92113618164717956522012-09-11T03:39:32.973-07:002012-09-11T03:39:32.973-07:00@Ashwatha:
Thanks for taking time to share your t...@Ashwatha:<br /><br />Thanks for taking time to share your thoughts.<br /><br />We can debate on specific points, but both of us agree that current practices are more cruel than the past. So, "we can pick holes in both past and present" kinda dilutes the seriousness.<br /><br />I notice that we also agree that old trend was also not perfect. The castration of male cows - good that you brought up.<br /><br />Regarding imperfect scenarios for the animals in wild, there is no human hand in it. I don't think it would be ethical to use that as a justification and abuse animals even more. That's just how I feel.<br /><br />Lastly, regarding how cattle lived before domestication, following link can give us some insight:<br />http://www.chillinghamwildcattle.com/speculation<br /><br />Besides, we still have varieties of wild buffalo. They live in herds and it is not too complicated to envision their natural life cycle.ಕೃಷ್ಣ ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರಿ - Krishna Shastryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602716408042486823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1570601480010352989.post-32573174475895366422012-09-11T01:47:36.372-07:002012-09-11T01:47:36.372-07:00Who says old trend was for cattle to be "Roam...Who says old trend was for cattle to be "Roaming around most of the times"? Cattle have been domesticated and confined for most of human history. <br /><br />Also, who said cattle had "natural mating process" ever? Before artificial insemination, it was typically one "devara gooLi" in a village that mated with every cow in the village; that's not necessarily "sexual freedom" for the cows. Also, very few animals in the natural world (even in the wild) have "sexual freedom" - it is usually the alpha male of the herd that as sex with the females (more like rape than consensual intercourse). <br /><br />Also, you mention "choose their own medicines from natural sources" - come on, cows are not doctors!<br /><br />I am not saying that current cattle-herding practices are better or more humane than in the past. However, the specific practices that you mention are not particularly relevant in judging current practices vis-a-vis past practices. <br /><br />For example:<br /><br />Past practice for male cows: castration<br /><br />Past practice for post-menopausal cows: Force them to pull heavy carts<br /><br />Past practice for sick cows in need of medical treatment: *none*<br /><br />The point is: you can pick holes in both current and past practices. I also don't think you can analyze these using human-centric parameters like "right to choose", for example. Most animals do not have this even in their natural settings, and the problem when it comes to cows is that they haven't been in their "natural setting" since the dawn of human civilization - so no one really knows what they lived like before getting domesticated. Ashwathahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12015313193445616624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1570601480010352989.post-87637515007865089322012-09-11T01:42:47.482-07:002012-09-11T01:42:47.482-07:00Well written article & my sentiments exactly.I...Well written article & my sentiments exactly.I had the honour of meeting Mr Kurien briefly.Indeed a great man & like you v rightly said,had he considered the rights of animals also it would have been wonderful.Mr Kurien didn't drink milk but he ate beef.Like you ,a fact I can't ignore:(Manisha Hariharannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1570601480010352989.post-41987039690484873972012-09-10T20:44:16.009-07:002012-09-10T20:44:16.009-07:00ಕಾಲಚಕ್ರಕ್ಕೆ ಹಿಂತಿರುವಿಲ್ಲ.ಪ್ರಾಕೃತಿಕ ನಿಯಮಗಳನ್ನು ಅರ್ಥ...ಕಾಲಚಕ್ರಕ್ಕೆ ಹಿಂತಿರುವಿಲ್ಲ.ಪ್ರಾಕೃತಿಕ ನಿಯಮಗಳನ್ನು ಅರ್ಥೈಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳುವಲ್ಲಿ ಮನುಷ್ಯನ ಅಸಾಮರ್ಥ್ಯ ಏನಿದ್ದರೂ ಎಲ್ಲವನ್ನು ಬದಲಾಯಿಸುವಲ್ಲಿ (ಒಳ್ಳೇದಕ್ಕೂ ಕೆಟ್ಟದ್ದಕ್ಕೂ. ಮತ್ತೆ ಉದ್ದೇಶಪೂರ್ವಕವಾಗಿಯೂ ಅಜ್ಞಾನದಲ್ಲೂ) ಕ್ರಿಯಾಶೀಲನಾಗಿರುವುದು ಇವನೊಬ್ಬನೇ. ಆ ನಿಟ್ಟಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಕುರಿಯನ್ ಎಷ್ಟು pawn in the inevitable sequence of eventsಓ ನೀವೂ ನಾನೂ ಅಷ್ಟೇ ಎಂಬ ಭಾವ ಮೂಡುತ್ತದೆ :-(<br />ಅಶೋಕವರ್ಧನAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com